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in the handle grip from the looks of it. It doesn't get much better then this one. It was common for everything in a survival vest to have a lanyard. The handle should fold out to cover the entire blade edge. Wouldn't mind running across one of these to compare to my two examples. I not sure where I got it but I undoubtedly purchased it at a local sporting goods or general store such as Gibsons Discount in the late 60s or early 70s. qualified technician to remove the surface rust and dirt on them. Not looking to sell it. Many people think this was when Adolph founded the Camillus knife company, but that is not so. At the end of the war, the decision to ramp up capacity paid off as Camillus could now make its knives and still churn others out under contract. Find out more below. It may add to your history file. It appears that in 2006, Ontario Knife Company became the current vendor to the DoD of the Jet Pilot Survival Knife under the National Stock Number (NSN): 7340-00-098-4327. Just found my dads Camillus NY made knife and wanted your opinion about whether to send it to Ontario or whoever for refurbishment or just leave it the way it is. Price $15,000.00, #5665 L66: This is the prototype for the WW II Army Air The genesis of the Air Force Survival Knife goes back to the 1950s at the dawn of the jet age. Another Kent with stagged Rosewood, brass pins and etched. Okay, maybe not fakes. by carrmillus Thu May 30, 2013 3:57 pm, Post Bone stag and CR guard made in Powered by Invision Community, US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY. It is the SP 2, Survival Knife. Dear Major,I have had this knife for 30 years when I picked one up at local sporting goods store ,it served me well but, sadly had it stolen a few years ago.my question is how to safely (without too much damage to tang or butt plate (large nut square hole) to change handle ? Sent to the Jeffersonville Quartermaster, it is essentially a 6 Co., Olean N.Y.Straight lineNil1897 1909Union Cut. Camillus Kabar Knife History. Both marked CAMILLUS over N.Y. but the one on the left the font is larger. Furthermore, standardization of equipment reduces costs upon the logistical system. Nickel silver guards made in 1948. Contact the Ontario Knife Company. Made for Sears & Roebucks. Force survival kit knife. Show me your knife, and I'll tell you who you are. The current edition of this document is Aerospace Standard SAE-AS-8662. However, the registrations for all registered products containing salicylanilide as an active ingredient have been canceled. bone and 1466 dozen made in stagged Rosewood. current model. This is a testimony to the ingenuity of the design team that developed the knife at the Marbles company. The knives will be sold as a group only. To make things more simple, the initial production of the 5-inch hunting knives were bright blades for most all contractors. Your email address will not be published. If you are interested in the Camillus M4 The back piece has also been cut-through by the blade over the years, so the metal addition was definitely needed. Camillus was so successful a knife brand that other knifemakers contracted them to manufacture their blades. The former refers to the knife being a normal US army fighting knife, while the latter identifies the Ka-bar knives issued to the US Navy. auction. Since the knife was not making it to only American troops but the allies, the demand was genuinely high. Ontarios model became the Aircrew Survival and Egress Knife, System (ASEK) based on the published requirements by the U.S. Army. larger pommel version we all know. By 1876, after his uncles company had to close shop due to poor sales figures, Adolph charted out a new path for himself. The knife went through a couple of different vendors over its life cycle. The intended use of the knife is for pilots as required in survival situations. HiI'm new to the site and am trying to identify a knife my daughter found yesterday. However, because of Marbles premature manufacturing of the knife before it was awarded a government contract, the rest of the world gained the privilege to own this knife. Ontarios knife became procured by the U.S. Army and was issued a National Stock Number, NSN: 1095-01-530-0833 within the Federal Supply System. Required fields are marked *. Another A German himself, and having spent enough time in the U.S.A. to know the market landscape, this business venture was not difficult for him. Later, when we received individual survival and flotation gear, the knife scabbard was sometimes sewn into the pocket where a .38 special was stored during Vietnam days on the survival vest. SKIP. I may be wrong but it may have been produced between 1970-1990, maybe in Asia. Hi. Im happy to see that youre entering the world of knife collection. In most of the places that Ive come across a Klein knife, it was either a military electricians knife or for another handyman. I own one of these knives and recently became interested in its history when one was found in a japanese built WWII tunnel system in a mountain in Northern Luzon, Philippines. I believe youre more interested in dating the vintage ones, though, so the other era guides on that list are best suited to your needs. The story of this knife seems to begin in 1953, when the DoD announced to private industry their specifications for a standardized survival knife for pilots to interested vendors in Military Specification MIL-K-8662 (16 October 1953). Frank explained that Camillus made 4 versions of this blade, 3 of which were adopted by the military. contracts. It looks exactly like the type of knife I pull up in a Google search. In the end, it proved to be a logistical nightmare, however, Robeson did make the switch. While some other companies have taken over the design and started to make modern versions, there is simply nothing like the older units that first came out under the original Klaas company. As such, this knife was not intended as a frontiersman or bushcraft knife, per se. 27. Also, note that not all old Ka-bar knives were used in the war. It has a decent leather scabbard with no hole in the tip and leather cords intact, as well as the stone with similar markings as others Ive seen. Im not a fan of social media and dont use it. COStraight lineOLEAN, N.Y, and USA.1912 1920UNION CUTLERY CO.Straight lineOLEAN, N. Y1912 1930UNIONRound rectangular boxNil1914 1926KEENWELL CUT COStraight lineOLEAN, N. Y1920 1930KEENWELL CUT COStraight lineOLEAN, N.Y; Ka-Bar; Model number1928 1932KA-BARStraight lineUSA`1930 1940OLCUTStraight lineStainless Steel; or UNION CUT CO. & OLEAN, N. Y1935 1945KabarStraight lineUnfilled star1950 1970. In fact, I believe that learning how to date a ka-bar knife requires more attention to detail and a couple of more moving parts than when we were dealing with the Kissing Crane knives. Do you have any additional information on what the 6-89 is and how it fits in the history. Entertaining and informing. The one on the right pommel nut and screw are brass. It is marked just U.S.N. #3 Speak with Knife Collectors and Dealers. After all, that is what they practically do for a living. Maybe you can help me out here. Camillus clearly had skinning in mind with this knife. Your email address will not be published. This is usually where I first look at when dating knives. The condition of the leather sheath is what would one would expect to be from late 1960s to early 1970s vintage as it was found at the time, which has not degraded since. As such, finding a definitive history of the development and procurement of this knife is difficult to reconstruct. The genesis of the Air Force Survival Knife goes back to the 1950s at the dawn of the jet age. steel dome pins. The sharpened clip point on the blade allows the pilot to punch a hole in the aluminum then use the knife spine as a hasty saw to cut through the aircraft skin during an aircraft egress situation. They did not adopt this knife, as we know the M3 was Adolph Kastor, the founder of the Camillus cutlery company, came to the U.S.A at the age of 14. This is the guard-marked type with a "plain" unmarked blade. We have over 75,000 pieces of Boy and Girl Scout Memorabilia to sell. These bayonets are very similar to the originals so you need to check Co.Arc-shapedUSA, or Union; Stainless1912 1925Tidioute CUT. Any information is appreciated. So both of mine in the first post are wartime? The bit telltale difference is the sharpened false edge. Above we feature the Camillus USMC reproduction. This knife has been around for many years. Both have black plastic pommel. Heavily used Camillus hunter, possible returned to the From the picture you can see that the length of the hilts are different. by Colonel666 Sun May 26, 2013 1:43 am, Post pins marked Kent, As above with different tang markings, still a Kent. existence. Dustin- Great information! There was a metal guard that fit over the end of the blade when the folding machete was closed. This design was accepted, and the military specifications documents were updated to reflect Marbles concept in MIL-K-8662A (04 November 1957). PS If you buy the knife today, the seller might include a newer sheath just to promote better knife safety for you. Very nice! forces were gone by 1973. Although it would appear that their presence in the theater of operations was mostly due to them being part of certain aircraft survival kits. Moreover, the requirement for having a standard survival knife for pilots and aircrews across the DoD was due to economic considerations and budgeting constraints at the time which fostered standardization across the military services. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Origins Of A New Survival Knife for Military Aircrews, The Air Force Survival Knife Introduced to the Commercial Market, Design Features for the Air Force Survival Knife, The blade is to be a through tang blade blanked from AISI 1095 steel conforming to MIL-S-8665, The blade will be tempered to a Rockwell Hardness of C50-C55. sactroop- Just noticed the lower Camillus above the stamped sheath has a very well defined, scooped out fuller. Keep up the great work. These knives should be professionally serviced by a If you can find old knife catalogs, theyre one of the best ways to date and identify your Camillus knives. My friend and I were just talking about this specific subject, she actually is normally attempting to prove me completely wrong! Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I have not The company manufactured Camillus branded knives and was a prolific contractor for other knife brands up until its last days in 2007 when the company filed for bankruptcy. Now, we know already that this, Read More How to Tell If A 1918 Trench Knife Is Real (5+ Unique Methods)Continue, The kissing crane knives are some of the most well-made, long-lasting, and historical knives that we can still find around today. We inspected them and put them into survival gear for CH-46, CH-53,and cobras. Knife collectors and dealers should still have those catalogs if you can find them. unknown variant like the Marbles above. like the original and with a little bit of use can be made to look old real Made after march 1985 to 2006. It may not display this or other websites correctly. There was a spin off copy cat comp. The good news is that I found multiple ways to determine how old your Camillus knife is. The latest dated pommel stamped Camillus 5733 is 3-1985. J-7 marked Kent with Sportsman etching and stagged Thanks for all the photos. Additionally, OKC is the only company selling this knife commercially. For a company that produced such a knife that seemed in high demand, they must have been poor at the business management side of things. This was one they wanted to make but never did. An unmarked prototype hunter with Stagged Rosewood and Challenges of Dating a Ka-Bar knife properly, Multiple Methods to Dating a Ka-bar Knife, Method #1 Identify the Logo/ Tang Stamp, Stainless Steel; or UNION CUT CO. & OLEAN, N. Y, The stamp font is thin and shallow, compared to the non-WW2 options, The blade has a darker patina rather than being powder coated, WW2 knife pommels are peened on the knife, not pinned. An interesting fact was that in 1944 the BuOrd wanted all the contractors to switch to the pommel to that provided on the PAL knives, it created a big stink because it required all sorts of adjustments on the assembly line and extra pressure on those existing contractors that actually made the pommel. I became curious about the background and history of this knife about a year ago. Camillus Tang Stamps and Dates (www.bladeforums.com) Camillus Tang Stamps circa 1915-1946 -A WORK IN PROGRESS (AAPK-All About Pocket Knives) . Appreciating the persistence you put into your site and in depth information you provide. Pilot Survival Knife MIL-K-8662(AER). The guard is stamped CAMILLUS on one side, U.S.N. This is the factory reference The leather will be treated with para-nitrophenol fungicide. I find no marks on it but it was well used with rust stains. 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Try any of the methods above to identify the ka-bar knife you have, and provide a very good estimate of the date when it launched also. Schrade Knife Identification (www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us) Schrade Knives (AAPK-All About Pocket Knives) Victorinox. rivets, Kent Sportsman with etching and stagged bone and large Western made two: one with a 6-inch blade, the G46-6, and one with a 5-inch blade, the G46-5. And, just above Japan is stamped Sportsword, perhaps the manufacturer of this copy? by orvet Tue May 28, 2013 1:20 pm, Post It was enlightening to discover that there is very little information available on the background and origins of this knife. Probably not a Pro-Tec pointed dagger, but it's real novel. Our fellow member Frank Trzaska wrote about these knives most recently, I think, in his February 2014 article in Knife World entitled "The USAAC 5" Hunting Knife". I know my knives - maybe not as well as my mother - but enough to write helpful guides for you. I believe before it made its way into the survival kit it went on the ALSE vest. WW2 CAMILLUS *Air Force* Folding Machete Survival Knife w/Guard $79.00 20 bids $12.50 shipping Ended USMC US M3 Case 1943 Fixed Blade Fighting Knife Stacked Leather Handle & Sheath $314.00 14 bids $15.49 shipping 3d 5h U.S. M-1 GARAND / HANDLE SCALES and PARTS ( See Discription ) $17.50 2 bids $13.17 shipping Ended The condition of the knife is worn, but otherwise good. For a knife that has been around for more than 120 years now, you also know that it would have changed hands a lot of times. Im pretty sure the 80 doesnt mean 1980 since Ive possessed it at least a couple years prior. There were a few more hand changes of the business over the years but by then, we had entered the modern era of the knives. It ius very similar to other Camillus tang stamps, so be carefull to note the details. USMC next to the current repro which graphically shows the difference. Not Adopted, Case and Catt got the Q knife Each contractor had their personal signatures, better described as authorized deviations. Just looks cute. the markings are all the same and in the same place as the originals. I was in Boy Scouts. Finally Ive found something which helped me. You have a very scarce Camillus MARK 1. Maybe a high school classmate possibly but I dont know. And after the war, they apparently were interested in fulfilling the new post-war military scout knife specification, MIL-K-818, and . generate quite a few questions so we hope this is a help to a few folks. The M3 trench knife or M3 fighting knife was an American military combat knife first issued in March 1943. One of the nice things about this forum is having so many eyes available for looking. S-3647 A prototype that was to have a 10 MM screw compass Kent Sportsman's knife with stagged Rosewood grips and These markings will usually show on the tang since they are less likely to wear and be scratched off there. Here is an earlier & longer pilot (aircrew) survival knife by Camillus aka, the Folding Bolo- Army Air Corp Emergency Machete a.jpg Army Air Corp Emergency Machete.jpg Here it is folded- Army Air Corp Emergency Machete j.jpg You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. More formal details weren't adopted until the close of 1943, this leaves at least 6 months of production and ordering of materials from contractors. If you dont go to knife shows, you might also have some luck with veteran knife collectors in your locale. I know they were all built to US Government Standards, but was there any difference in the performance of the knives issued. 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